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And they were saying, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I (katabebēka | καταβέβηκα | perf act ind 1 sg) have (katabebēka | καταβέβηκα | perf act ind 1 sg) come (katabebēka | καταβέβηκα | perf act ind 1 sg) down (katabebēka | καταβέβηκα | perf act ind 1 sg) from heaven’?”